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as compared to romney's own perscriptions that call for smaller less expensive government. for the president what he's going to try to do is say look, maybe things aren't so great but it is partly the fault of george w. bush and the republicans who were in office prior to the democrats taking control in 2009, so we need time to fix it, and by the way, the president will also say that he wants to increase taxes on people like mitt romney to help pay down some of that debt. >> reporter: we just put of that graphic there showing the $16 trillion of debt and there are so many digits it almost doesn't fit on the tv screen across the screen there, as you can see. but haven't americans in some way become number to astronomical numbers? how serious is this in. >> they have become number. is it the new normal this massive spilling of red ink but it raises three problems which i don't think the nation has got even to grips with yet. number one our economy is smaller than our debt. we look like europe, we know what happened there. number two we are spending $9 billion every week just paying interest on
, of course, the reality of governance and the reality of what he was able to do and what he really wanted to do and what his priorities were didn't necessarily match up with the rhetoric of 2008. so they may be feeling a little disillusioned. the other thing is democrats who think that mitt romney stinks and is a terrible candidate, and the republicans are absolute cuckoo birds. the fact that romney could box the president's ears on wednesday, that mitt romney could beat him probably doesn't do much to make people feel good about the way their candidate's odds are. megyn: yeah. it's led to even the new yorker, which is not exactly a right-leaning publication, we got a sneak peek of their cover, and it shows romney behind his lectern, and he's arguing against the empty chair, the title will be "one-on-one," we're told. if any event, it's just one indication of where this election may stand as of today anyway. chris, thank you. >> you bet. megyn: well, the enthusiasm polling is only one of a dramatic series of surveys in the last 48 hours. we will speak with a university of colorado profess
,000 jobs were created last month, and megyn, only 10,000 of those jobs were government. megyn: we have been showing the chart of job creation over the past year or so. back in january, you can see it. look where we were back in january and february. then it falls way down. 45,000 jobs in the month of june. now that 114,000. not great to most economists, but not so great. how do we get to the point where we are at these not so great numbers, but the unemployment rate falls from 8.1% write-down in to 7.8%. :lou: let me smooth out the charge. we have a little below average what we did in 2012. there has been a decline and not an improvement according to the labor department. the survey employers, both government and business, to come up with that number. they have another survey, which is called a household survey. 50,000 folks are called and ask if they have a job or not. megyn: arctic cold calling them? >> they are cold calling them, randomly calling them. the establishment survey, that is almost 150,000. a much more sophisticated and scientific and less volatile survey. megyn: is this 7.8%
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